Colin O'Byrne

But if we can just see what we're doing wrong, then people will go, oh, I didn't know that.

Like if I tell people, for example.

Like a pizza tray.

People go, it's cardboard, it goes into the recycling bin.

But if it's festooned with grease, then it doesn't go into the recycling bin.

And most people think they're doing the right thing, but are making that mistake.

So little bits like that where we can be gently nudged or said, actually, if you do it like this, you get better.

That does help.

So I think there's a lot to be said for that bit of information sharing.

Yeah, so it probably comes back to policy.

Like, what are the policy decisions we're making?

So I think it's up to 30% now of the grid is for data centres.

So do we look at, if we want to electrify this fleet, how much is it going to cost and where do we take it from?

Because we can't be compromising people's domestic electricity needs.

Yeah, it's kind of like the field of dreams.

If you build it, they'll come.

There's a friend of mine works out in truck rental and he says, yeah, these would be great electric vehicles, but there isn't a bit of infrastructure in place for them yet.

And there's no point in putting the cart before the horse.

We need to plan to build and then to get this electric bin fleet out because, like I said, other countries are doing it.

There's no reason why we shouldn't be.