Colm Ryder

I mean, it's not something that's easily done on a busy main road at any particular time.

No, of course it's not.

Particularly it's not sensible.

No, I 100% agree with that.

That's not the issue.

The issue is being that the driver of a truck certainly needs to be trained to understand how they can affect the danger to cyclists and pedestrians too as well.

And just to say that we in the Dublin Cycling Campaign have worked with the truck companies over the years, some of the

one of the major supermarket truck systems, the Musgrave truck system.

We worked back a number of years ago with them in looking at the difference between cyclists and drivers by juxtaposing cyclists actually sitting in the cabs of trucks and truck drivers getting on bicycles and seeing what the difficulty was there and getting that feeling overall.

And we would obviously push very strongly for cyclists

for this kind of system to be part of what's called the Certificate of Personal Competence, which Gerard would be well aware of, that all truck drivers require.

So the training for truck drivers.

It certainly gave a much better understanding of the particular issues involved.

And yes, it did make a difference.

We haven't actually formally measured the particular issues,

the drivers that were involved at the time and how their effect on the road but that it is without a doubt it has been borne out by European statistics that it does make a difference.

100%.

100%.

And look, you can only sort of give those instructions and ready out to people and say, look, be safe, be seen, be aware of what's on the road.

There may be, what, 3% of cyclists who would be careless, something of a low figure.