Conan

I need to try and pull back a bit of structure onto this show here because we've already touched on Gerard Brennan which I want to talk about we're already touching on Cranky Leinster TM John Green there but just that John off the leash yeah there's no stopping him but obviously the Jack Nienaber stuff is huge obviously Rory you've been talking about you're at the centre of this story they're calling you robust and respectful Rory that's really that's not what they're calling me in South Africa yeah I was going to ask you about that I take it as a very calm measured response coming back your way

people can read it and they can make their own minds and it's brilliant it's out in the open so you spoke about it on the rugby podcast yesterday with Cian and Eddie O'Sullivan so you were saying did he take issue with you saying Leinster signed a deal with the devil when they got a South African coach in so he took that literally he seems and look maybe this is a loss in translation in that you know Nian Aber is a native Afrikaans speaker and English is his second language although he's

I'm trying to think of a way of asking this.

Would you be thinking about Jacques reading your next piece now when you're reading it?

No, you can't.

I know you can't.

Yeah, one thing you've always said is that obviously when Leicester were getting them, it was get them over the line to win, basically.

They were changing the style of play to win.

And it was interesting, I found an old piece of yours in 2023, a few months before Nina Barr came in and you were interviewing Andrew Porter.

And he said, it's about getting the fifth star.

You don't see many URCs or Pro 14s or whatever on the jersey.

It's about the Champions Cup.

That was just before Nienaber came in.

Obviously the reason he came in was to get them that fifth star and we're still waiting.

Well, they also have a cranky manager.

They were through Ger Brennan.

We didn't get to talk about this during the week.

He released a statement through his solicitor hitting back at Gareth Burns' comments as opposed to sort of...

Top lines are what Jarrett Burns said about it was irrational to compare Jerry Brennan's incident with Jim McGuinness' incident.

He said, which was picked out by the solicitor and Jerry Brennan, that it would be embarrassing for the CCCC to have to lose an appeal if an appeal was brought forward.