Connor Howe

It's open when it's convenient for us, but then it's not open versus closed when it's not convenient for us, basically.

So in my opinion – And why put it in the middle of a bunch of legally binding paperwork too?

box our own little like reality that we don't we can't even imagine what it's like in other places and it's like well they don't have adoptions because their social economic systems are different there yeah you know i mean they take social safety nets basically eradicate the need for adoption and even people don't realize that american like adoption people believe that adoption dates back to biblical times because of the way that uh you know oh jesus was adopted moses was adopted all this stuff but if you actually look at the legal process of adoption

America was one of the first countries to ever actually put adoption in its laws.

The first adoption law was passed in this country 80 years after this country was founded, more or less.

Adoption in itself, the way that we look at adoption, didn't really exist until the 1920s.

In terms of taking a child and putting that child with complete strangers and

I look at the act of adoption as the actual erasure of the original birth certificate, putting it behind the seal, and then giving them a new birth certificate that says you were born to these people that didn't give birth to you.

That's the act, right?

Everything else is external care.

It's a very broad umbrella definition.

You can have guardianship.

You can do foster care.

Grandparents can raise their grandkids.

Or step-parents can raise their step-kids.

And they can call themselves mom and dad, whatever it is.

Right.

That's no different than adoption except for a piece of paper, right?

So it's – yeah, it's a very weird kind of like history.

And you can say all this stuff, by the way.