Constantin Kisin

And the problem that I have with that, even forget about that, it's morally wrong.

It's also just going to make this worse, isn't it, Peter?

Well, isn't this exactly the point, Patrick?

Isn't this exactly the point?

I think a big part of the reason this debate has never...

got become never got solved in some way is that I think the people who are pro open borders on and everything else, like immigrants are all the same in their head.

So they think that like to let a bunch of Ukrainians in fleeing war

is the same if if you do that you also then have to let a bunch of people from sudan and without vetting them that are coming here illegally and in their brain that is like the same thing and so they can't separate one from the other because then you would have to concede that some cultures are better than others

right you would have to accept that some people even forget about the moralizing forget the better or worse framing let's just say some cultures are like this and some cultures are like that and we might want some of these people but we may not want some of these people and if you say that then the whole edifice comes down like a house of cards

That makes sense, given the indoctrination that they're going through.

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Patrick, was I right in thinking you were very keen to jump in before Francis appeared with his flashy new suit?

peter and i wanna i wanna go back to a very good point you made earlier because one thing that constitutionally i really struggle with doing and it's not always served me well in personal relationships nonetheless i'm i can't swallow lies that i'm supposed to pretend the truth and you were talking so powerfully about all of this dei stuff and the thing that really strikes me as just the highest level of dishonesty that i've seen for a very long time is that having spent

at least a decade, being told that because different groups in history have been treated in a different way, we now need to treat some groups in a different way to compensate for the terrible things that happened in the past.

That was what we were told.

Now, you can agree with it, you can disagree with it.

Now that that is literally what is happening, the thing they said needed to happen, we needed to treat some groups differently, that's happening.

People say we have two-tier policing, we have two-tier politics, we have two-tier judiciary, we have two-tier this, two-tier that.

Those people have been told, no, no, no, no, no.

You're lying.