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Cooper Maul

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352 total appearances

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The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

Knudsen was an old school cop.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

Think Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive, the kind of man who lives by the rules, but doesn't let them slow him down.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

So first, he felt like he had to understand what drove their great escape.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

He hadn't heard of anything like this before.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

Knudsen had to get the goods on Margo to understand her motivation.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

and the deputy warden handed over her personnel file.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

In the 1970s, tracking a fugitive was a slower, more manual process.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

There were no digital databases linking local police to federal agencies, so communication often meant phone calls and mailed bulletins.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

Fingerprints had to be compared by hand, and investigators relied heavily on informants, paper records, and luck.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

Without GPS, credit card tracking, or surveillance cameras, once someone crossed a state line, they could vanish for years.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

In Ohio, agents knocked on doors, sat in living rooms, and worked through every name in Margo's past, hoping someone would point them in the right direction.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

Remember, this was the same family that barely even made a phone call to Margo when she was wrapped up with Glenn Nash in Memphis.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

Why would they suddenly care about where she is now?

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

And because boots on the ground in Ohio bore no leads, the FBI pivoted to the woman who might still be within reach.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

While the FBI spread out across Baltimore in search of Fay, Knudsen drove to Memphis to examine the case files himself and meet with local prosecutors.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

He wanted to understand how a teenage accomplice ended up serving the kind of time usually reserved for the trigger man.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

His first call was to the man Margo thought she could save, Alfred Schlereth, that boyfriend she was trying to help when she got involved with Glenn Nash in the first place.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

Whatever remained of that relationship ended the moment she ran with Nash.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

Al later told investigators that the last time he saw Margo was when he was in jail in Tennessee.

The Binge Crimes: Cut, Color, Kill
The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead

Here's Al speaking to a reporter in 1994 about that visit.