The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 2. Bad Lead
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What events led Margo Freshwater to escape prison?
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Listen to all episodes of The Crimes of Margot Freshwater ad-free right now by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge channel on Apple Podcasts and hit subscribe at the top of the page or visit getthebinge.com to get access wherever you listen. The Binge, feed your true crime obsession. All right, so this is actually happening. In T-minus five minutes, I will be sitting down with Tanya McCarter, a.k.a. Margot Freshwater, for her first ever interview. And I truly cannot believe this. This has been a long time coming. For the past three years, we've been trying to find Margot Freshwater. And back in 2021, when this podcast was still a seed of an idea, we started plotting our approach. We knew this could take some time.
A few of my colleagues pursued her over the years, but Margo Freshwater lived up to her reputation. She was really hard to track down. We tried going through the attorney who had once defended her. We thought if we could build trust with him, maybe he'd be our key to finding her. He took a call, but communication fizzled. Then somehow, word got back that we were trying to reach her. And one summer afternoon in 2025, my phone rang. I didn't record that very first call, but I did record the call I made the second I hung up with her, with my producer Ben.
So, she gave me a call, and... I just wanted to say the right thing. And it was interesting, too, because, you know, when you hear her on the phone, she just sounds like your mom.
Yeah. She sounds like anybody.
Yeah. And I want to treat her like anybody.
It's been a pursuit.
And we weren't the only ones chasing her. Over the years, a lot of people wanted to get her to tell her story. Think Dateline, 2020, Good Morning America even. She turned them all down. But for some reason, she saw something in me. Even though I'm a heavily tattooed millennial who dresses like Adam Sandler half the time, she trusted me. And when I first sat across from her, it was hard to reconcile that the woman in front of me could be the same person who escaped prison, someone who'd been convicted of murder. Standing at around 5'1", her voice carries a maternal softness. She almost seemed shy. It all took me by surprise. When I hit record, it was tough to tell who was more on edge. I think one of the big questions here at the beginning is you've never sat down and told your story on the record before.
Why now?
Now feels like the right time to do it. And I wanted to get my story out there the way it really went down.
Tanya's 77 now, and time isn't exactly on her side. If this story is ever going to be told by her, it's now or never.
What a lot of people don't understand is when I created my new identity and had a new life, I had to put the life that I had known out of sight, out of mind. My life wasn't easy when I started.
She didn't make it easy for investigators either because everyone hunting her started in the wrong place. She'd already figured out something that people chasing her hadn't. I knew I could never contact my family.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What events led Margo Freshwater to escape prison?
0:00–6:23
2
How did Margo and Faye Copeland navigate their escape to Baltimore?
6:23–12:20
3
What challenges did Margo face while trying to build a new life?
12:20–20:56
4
Why did Margo feel the need to return to Ohio despite the risks?
20:56–28:42
5
How did Margo's past influence her decisions after escaping?
28:42–38:03