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The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

That's a mouthful.

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

Are there things that you're doing in an effort to get the model to show more of its work?

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

You can't assess what you can't measure.

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

Yeah, right.

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

Yeah.

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

What are the warning signs maybe that a system's reasoning is becoming less monitorable over time?

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

How would is there a way to recognize that that's happening?

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

I guess that makes sense.

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

You tested whether, something that interested me was that you tested whether penalizing bad thoughts during training would stop that kind of misbehavior.

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

And I wondered if you could tell us a little about what you found there.

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

It's not a flawless process.

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

Yeah.

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

That makes sense.

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

I have a question I've wanted to ask a safety researcher for quite some time.

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

And it is, does the concept of open source AI concern you in any way as someone who's focused on safety and vulnerability?

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

And why or why not?

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

That's a thing I have wondered for so long, and I really appreciate you sharing your personal opinion there.

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

Because I always thought, like, at its core, I try to be a good open source promoter.

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

And at the same time, I'm like, you know, you kind of lose the button, though.

The Neuron: AI Explained
OpenAI Researcher Explains How AI Hides Its Thinking (w/ OpenAI’s Bowen Baker)

You don't have the off switch anymore.