Craig Groeschel

That's just a bad mix.

Don't put an entrepreneurial leader over something with no room to grow.

And once you start to grow and work with people long enough, you're going to start to see that people don't just specialize in gifts and skills and tasks, but they're actually specialists in certain seasons.

And I'll explain.

With 45 campuses, we've got a few pastors that they're just entrepreneurial, like apostles, spiritual leaders.

They're great at launching things.

I mean, like can start it.

I call them scrappers.

They just get it done.

But then they're actually really bad when things are stable.

They are so high energy, so high driven that they just create all this unnecessary movement and cannot lead consistently consistently.

when things are stable.

They're starters.

Other people, they're not entrepreneurial.

They're very good pastors, but they're not starters.

They couldn't start a car on a cold day, but they can correct a bad culture almost overnight.

So if I got a campus that's culturally off and not doing the things that we consider most important, you can put that kind of correction specialist in

And they just have an amazing ability to come in and lead people to the right thoughts, the right values, and the right outcome.

Both are great leaders.

Both are great pastors.