Craig Klein

12 or 13 years when I started working on it.

And what I found was that I'm working with all these customers and there's a lot about managing their sales team that they just don't know, not because they're stupid or anything.

It's just, they don't know because they're not sales managers, they're business owners, you know?

And I think that we're in a unique position to really help businesses get sales right in this crazy new world that's evolving.

You know, I would say it's The Greatest Salesman in the World by Aug Mandina.

Um...

I can't think of one off the top of my head that you would recognize.

I've been, I've been really had my head into the blockchain world lately and there's all kinds of name.

Um, pay-per-click Google.

seven and a half, eight.

Um,

Start sooner.

Thank you, Nathan.

It was fun.