Craig Mazin

Yes. And it is something that we want people to feel our characters carrying with them. Ellie carries this with her. She knows how people feel. Who she is and even how Joel understands it and how he comes to understand it is yet to be understood. And then there's the question of Dina. What is Dina doing? And I remember getting to that moment and loving it and also being like, is this real?

Yes. And it is something that we want people to feel our characters carrying with them. Ellie carries this with her. She knows how people feel. Who she is and even how Joel understands it and how he comes to understand it is yet to be understood. And then there's the question of Dina. What is Dina doing? And I remember getting to that moment and loving it and also being like, is this real?

She says, I'm high. I smoked a lot. Well, is it real?

She says, I'm high. I smoked a lot. Well, is it real?

Do you know what breaks my heart, and this is right from the game, is that he does this and then turns to Ellie, and with all sincerity, as if he thinks she would be thrilled, He says, are you okay? Expecting her to hug him the way she did maybe outside that burning steakhouse. I saved you again. He can't help but try to keep saving her. And what she says is, I don't need your fucking help.

Do you know what breaks my heart, and this is right from the game, is that he does this and then turns to Ellie, and with all sincerity, as if he thinks she would be thrilled, He says, are you okay? Expecting her to hug him the way she did maybe outside that burning steakhouse. I saved you again. He can't help but try to keep saving her. And what she says is, I don't need your fucking help.

And the anger on her face tells me that there is way more going on than I'm angry that you pushed a guy in a dance. And what that is, we will come to understand.

And the anger on her face tells me that there is way more going on than I'm angry that you pushed a guy in a dance. And what that is, we will come to understand.

Ellie has killed a clicker with a knife to the neck in Kansas City, and she's getting real good at killing clickers with a knife to the neck here. So is Dina. They are not afraid. But this is where Ellie wants to make a choice. When Dina questions it, Ellie says, if you'd rather let the men handle it. And it's not even about gender. It's about adults, really.

Ellie has killed a clicker with a knife to the neck in Kansas City, and she's getting real good at killing clickers with a knife to the neck here. So is Dina. They are not afraid. But this is where Ellie wants to make a choice. When Dina questions it, Ellie says, if you'd rather let the men handle it. And it's not even about gender. It's about adults, really.

What she's saying is you want the grownups to handle it. Are we just kids?

What she's saying is you want the grownups to handle it. Are we just kids?

We talked a lot about how to create a world where our characters felt actually rather safe with the infected. Because when you go from season one to season two, if your fear reaction to infected is the same, then you kind of haven't learned anything in five years. You haven't gotten better. You haven't practiced. Humans are very good at solving problems over time.

We talked a lot about how to create a world where our characters felt actually rather safe with the infected. Because when you go from season one to season two, if your fear reaction to infected is the same, then you kind of haven't learned anything in five years. You haven't gotten better. You haven't practiced. Humans are very good at solving problems over time.

And these humans have gotten pretty good at solving the infected problem. They're feeling good about themselves to the point where Ellie and Dina are fine to walk in a supermarket and go one-on-one. But this one is different.

And these humans have gotten pretty good at solving the infected problem. They're feeling good about themselves to the point where Ellie and Dina are fine to walk in a supermarket and go one-on-one. But this one is different.

And the Stalker, of course, is an evolution character in the game. And we kind of wanted to spotlight the fact that they think, which is a huge problem. It is terrifying. Even the way they sound, that sadness, there's a humanity in there still. There is more brain left in them. But they're also like, how they sound is they're quiet.

And the Stalker, of course, is an evolution character in the game. And we kind of wanted to spotlight the fact that they think, which is a huge problem. It is terrifying. Even the way they sound, that sadness, there's a humanity in there still. There is more brain left in them. But they're also like, how they sound is they're quiet.

Exactly. Like she says, they plan, they stalk. And it's also very important to note here that It wins in the sense that it bites Ellie and would infect her if she were anyone else on the planet. It's that good. So this kid slash young woman who goes into a supermarket, cocky as hell, just got bit by this other thing that she did not see coming.

Exactly. Like she says, they plan, they stalk. And it's also very important to note here that It wins in the sense that it bites Ellie and would infect her if she were anyone else on the planet. It's that good. So this kid slash young woman who goes into a supermarket, cocky as hell, just got bit by this other thing that she did not see coming.