Craig Mazin

What I love about that is that Jesse is exactly the kind of person that would come save you. And he is worth looking up to and he is very strong. And he has this, I guess you'd call it positive paternalism. But boy, he's angry.

What I love about that is that Jesse is exactly the kind of person that would come save you. And he is worth looking up to and he is very strong. And he has this, I guess you'd call it positive paternalism. But boy, he's angry.

Jesse has been very patient with Ellie. He's been patient with her while he was training her to fight. He was patient with her about the town council meeting. He's patient with her about her weird stuff with Joel and not wanting to go on a patrol with him. But here, it's an interesting thing to rescue somebody And so clearly be angry with them.

Jesse has been very patient with Ellie. He's been patient with her while he was training her to fight. He was patient with her about the town council meeting. He's patient with her about her weird stuff with Joel and not wanting to go on a patrol with him. But here, it's an interesting thing to rescue somebody And so clearly be angry with them.

And this touches on a very big difference between the show and the game. In the game, Tommy goes out on his own. To avenge Joel on behalf of Ellie, basically.

And this touches on a very big difference between the show and the game. In the game, Tommy goes out on his own. To avenge Joel on behalf of Ellie, basically.

He's trying to keep her safe. He knows she would go. He decides to go first. to take care of it, to keep her out of trouble. Here, he doesn't get to make that choice because of the way we structured things and how much time has gone by.

He's trying to keep her safe. He knows she would go. He decides to go first. to take care of it, to keep her out of trouble. Here, he doesn't get to make that choice because of the way we structured things and how much time has gone by.

And also a very important thing, I think we talked about it when we were discussing our third episode, that Neil made a great point about Tommy and Joel and that Tommy understood that Joel wouldn't want to go do this. That was not in Joel's nature. And Tommy, in his own way, was kind of trying to honor that. But here...

And also a very important thing, I think we talked about it when we were discussing our third episode, that Neil made a great point about Tommy and Joel and that Tommy understood that Joel wouldn't want to go do this. That was not in Joel's nature. And Tommy, in his own way, was kind of trying to honor that. But here...

Tommy and Jesse have to sneak out of Jackson and Tommy has a wife and a little boy to go save them. Now, we don't know what Tommy's state of mind is, but we do know what Jesse's state of mind is. And what Jesse's state of mind is, what is wrong with the two of you? What is wrong with you? This is in violation of our community. We had a meeting. We had a vote. This is not the right thing to do.

Tommy and Jesse have to sneak out of Jackson and Tommy has a wife and a little boy to go save them. Now, we don't know what Tommy's state of mind is, but we do know what Jesse's state of mind is. And what Jesse's state of mind is, what is wrong with the two of you? What is wrong with you? This is in violation of our community. We had a meeting. We had a vote. This is not the right thing to do.

And Ellie, oh boy, does she push back. We were doing fine until, until what? And you see her kind of crumble there.

And Ellie, oh boy, does she push back. We were doing fine until, until what? And you see her kind of crumble there.

And I wasn't enough to keep Dina alive. There's this moment where Ellie's not so much worried that she's going to die, but when she looks over and sees the stalkers ripping that cage open, she knows she failed. And this is something that we talked about a lot in season one, that Joel would fail actually all the time. And Ellie is reliving Joel's experience.

And I wasn't enough to keep Dina alive. There's this moment where Ellie's not so much worried that she's going to die, but when she looks over and sees the stalkers ripping that cage open, she knows she failed. And this is something that we talked about a lot in season one, that Joel would fail actually all the time. And Ellie is reliving Joel's experience.

Ellie is understanding now, viscerally, what Joel felt. She doesn't maybe know that this is what Joel felt, but we know it is. That... You have one purpose, as Bill said, to keep this person alive and God help any motherfucker who stands in your way. And Joel kept failing. And Ellie is failing. And it is a very small feeling to know that you weren't enough.

Ellie is understanding now, viscerally, what Joel felt. She doesn't maybe know that this is what Joel felt, but we know it is. That... You have one purpose, as Bill said, to keep this person alive and God help any motherfucker who stands in your way. And Joel kept failing. And Ellie is failing. And it is a very small feeling to know that you weren't enough.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.