Cy Gavin
👤 Speaker
449
total appearances
Appearances Over Time
Podcast Appearances
Design Matters with Debbie Millman
Cy Gavin
And it was like a thing I was making in the vacuum of my own
Design Matters with Debbie Millman
Cy Gavin
And also, I've been the beneficiary of so many people like that in my life.
Design Matters with Debbie Millman
Cy Gavin
It was not fun in the summer.
Design Matters with Debbie Millman
Cy Gavin
I mean, it was... Because also, you were wearing, like, a cheap suit in, like, 100-degree weather.
Design Matters with Debbie Millman
Cy Gavin
These were not confidants of mine.
Design Matters with Debbie Millman
Cy Gavin
And so... And they had no... No, they had no interest in me as a person.
Design Matters with Debbie Millman
Cy Gavin
I was a product of their... of them.
Design Matters with Debbie Millman
Cy Gavin
I think, you know, my mother is alive and has really evolved since then.
Design Matters with Debbie Millman
Cy Gavin
But my father did not evolve away from that.
Design Matters with Debbie Millman
Cy Gavin
And yeah, I don't think it's so many of those kinds of environments.
Design Matters with Debbie Millman
Cy Gavin
It's about power and control.