Cy Gavin

And if you have a personality, that's a threat.

And I had a personality.

Yeah, I thank them for that.

I mean... It's a good question.

I don't know exactly where that came from.

Probably from my grandmother, to be absolutely real.

Not too readily to tell someone to F off.

But I mean, I think it's obvious that they don't really have your interests at heart, as was so the case when I was a kid.

They're asking for it.

And also just like...

Like it's not, there's not, there's nothing at stake.

They're not losing anything actually.

Yeah.

But I mean, you have to answer yourself at the end of the day.

And I think like I would be, I don't, they didn't, you know, it's wonderful to have been born, but like you do the rest of the work.

It's like not, it's not someone else's job.

I mean, to go back to this portfolio review day, like way back when I was a kid.

And also, yeah, that was, there was seven years of doing all kinds of things.

And part of what was so wildly off-putting about my undergraduate experience was that there was this idea that you are there to fit into an art historical continuum.

And that is basically the same as starting any business or something and having to be relevant or whatever.