Dacher Keltner

How do planes work?

And it's so beautiful.

Yeah.

Yeah, and that's just a classic experience of awe, which is you suddenly encounter something vast.

And you can't, your ordinary mind, if you will, just making sense of our daily lives, can't make sense of it.

And I feel that about flying too, just appreciating the earth from 30,000 feet.

Yeah.

I think that, you know, it's almost like moral beauty, right?

Which is we marvel at the...

the exceptional qualities of other life forms around us.

Yeah.

And so you're sensing something, a spirit in her, a transcendent spirit.

Yeah.

Yeah, I do.

I mean, you know, I'm always worried about structural things, racism, misogyny, inequality, but I do feel that the, and we have empirical data for this, that feelings of awe

socially make you appreciate your shared humanity and they make you aware of the bigger thing that you're part of, right?

And our study found that people on opposite sides of the issues of police brutality and abortion, once they felt awe, they didn't demonize or dehumanize their opponents, right?

They saw the humanity in them.

And you know, Oprah, when you think about, there are sources of awe that unite people in this country.

330 million people go to the national parks.