Daisy Goodwin

There's nothing real about it.

So it's a very...

You know, they know exactly what they're doing.

And I don't think, you know, obviously they're not intending for anyone to assault or rape somebody else.

Of course, that's not what the producers are suggesting.

But the problem is that they put them in a situation where I think for the women in particular, it's very hard for them to say no.

they're not in a normal they're not in a normal situation they're living cheap by jail with someone and it and yes they can tell them to sleep on the couch but you know it's really awkward plus they're going to be you know you can see that the pressure to sort of you know shut up and and get on with it is is very high and i think that is i think that is problematic i really do um

And I've made shows like this, I mean, not as extreme, but I always did it from the other point of view in which I found real-life people and tried to fix their issues rather than taking people out of real life and putting them in a completely artificial situation.

Well, you know, I don't feel as uncomfortable.

Here's the thing.

I mean, what I feel uncomfortable about is that if you take ordinary people and put them on a TV show,

and they're talking about their sex lives that is going to be difficult for that might be more difficult for them and later than they imagine you know yes so i do feel i feel really i feel responsible for that but what i wasn't doing was to um put them in a situation you know i wasn't saying you need plastic surgery have plastic surgery you need um you know i wasn't putting in a situation which

wasn't real well that's i mean that's the show that you didn't make isn't it that's where you draw that drew the line at the swan uk which was suggested to you as a potential project but you backed away i did back away because i felt that show was horrific because you know the premise of it was you got 12 so-called ugly ducklings in other words ordinary women you take them off for three months and you transform them physically and mentally and

with plastic surgery teeth work tooth work you know and kind of psychological coaching then they're reunited with their families and then once they've done that they have to take part in a beauty pageant with the other girls you know to see which is the ultimate swan so it's really insult to injury that you then have to take part in a beauty pageant but the moment that made me think

this show is immoral is when one of the women is reunited with her two-year-old child and the child doesn't recognize her and they both burst into tears.

And it's just, it's so gut-wrenching that moment that I just thought, you know.

Well,

I would hope so.

You know, I think it's the broadcasters who really have to take responsibility for this.

And I'm afraid I'm going to point the finger at Channel 4 because I think they've been quite lazy in their commissioning.