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Dale Hanson

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
2365 total appearances

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

And that was hard.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

You had to be a senior NCO, but we were going to let this small group of us do it.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

It was 37 of us.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

But then the proviso at the end of it, he says, at the end of this,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

All of you people, all graduates, are going to be sent directly to Vietnam to SOG.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

And 85% of you will be dead in three months.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

So the first thing I did is I went back and said, well, how many do you have to start with if every three months, 85% die?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

And it's over 4,000.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

So the odds of living a year in SOG back then was one in 4,000.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

Assuming he wasn't just trying to scare us, but it seems fairly accurate in the sense that of my class, most of them were killed.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

Yeah.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

And it was a super good class.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

Intelligence and spies and all this kind of thing.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

It even had safe cracking.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

I mean, all that part.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

You could be James Bond coming out of this thing as well as a commando.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

And so at the end of it all, we got our leave, flew off to Vietnam, and landed up in the Trang, the headquarters of Special Forces.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

And CC North, Command and Control, it went by several names.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

Command and Control, it went by SOG, Special Ops, it went by Studies and Observation Group, and it seems to me there was a couple others too.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#260 Dale Hanson - Why MACV-SOG Had an 85% Casualty Rate and 1-in-4000 Odds

Euphemism, they kept changing the names, you know.