Damien Hughes

Yeah, definitely.

And also as well, I found it interesting about not having that courage or the confidence to go and say, I just need a break from this.

I need to step away.

Because he was almost on that hedonic treadmill of the more he played, the more money he made, the more people wanted to sponsor him.

And sometimes that willingness to say, I just need to stop this.

And that would have allowed him, he argued, to go and find the pleasure and the passion that he'd had

playing when he was a young boy and that would have then sustained him to have a far longer second half of his career I mean how often have we have we chatted with people that say I wish I'd have enjoyed it I wish I'd have found the moments of joy in what I was doing and if we get caught on this idea of what's the next achievements what's next it can often blind us to what's right in front of us and I I thought that was interesting uh from what Boris spoke about and

especially given the context of what subsequently happened in his life, about the prison sentence, that two-hour conversation we had with him was dominated by in many ways.

But he talks about finding the joy in small moments, and I think his career stole that from him.

Well, I mean, I often point to the research of a psychologist called Barbara Fredrickson who explored this very topic of joy because she argues that an emotion like joy is actually an evolutionary puzzle.

Like, what does it give us as a species?

We understand fear.

It gets us away and allows us to survive.

But what does joy do?

And

Barbara Fredrickson's work basically concludes that it broadens our perspective and it builds our confidence.

So having moments of joy where we can just get off the treadmill and stop and just appreciate where we are gives us a sense of perspective of what we're doing, where we exist in the universe, but also gives us the ability to reflect on what we're gaining, what we're acquiring by pursuing some kind of task.

Yeah.

Well, Albert Ellis, the famous psychologist, talks about so many of us suffer from an excess case of masturbation.

And you heard that right.