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Dan Elitzer

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
264 total appearances

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

The team is strong experience.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

They've got a lot of brand equity and trust built up in the ecosystem.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

I would assume that they are working around the clock to cut some sort of deal to help protect as many of their users as possible.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

I don't know when that will be announced, what the shape of it, who would be involved in anything, but like there's no way they're not having those conversations.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

When Aave is in trouble like this, it ripples across the ecosystem.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

We've seen even other lending protocols, you know, Morpho's seen outflows.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

I think actually Spark might be the only one with net inflows at this point.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

Fluid saw outflows.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

Others like people just are pulling capital back when you've got these funds running strategies at size where there are three, four, five X levered on some of these like ETH loops and kind of carry trade loops on stables.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

This is bad.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

Everybody wants to get out.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

And either we're going to start seeing some liquidation soon that's going to kind of like forcibly kind of unwind some of this, or we're going to see some form of capital injection and bolstering of trust.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

Because right now what we're seeing is a bank run and it is having contagion effects across the ecosystem.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

Yeah.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

So for rate limits within a given protocol, you say, hey, no more than this amount of deposits, withdrawals, mints can occur within X number of blocks, ideally, right?

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

Because that we can be much more certain about blocks than timestamps.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

And then the idea of like a circuit breaker is like, hey, rather than hard limiting saying just we're going to prevent this action, you actually can circuit have a circuit breaker where it says we're going to

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

pause other functions of the contract should we go over those limits within a given time period and so that's that's the difference is like rate limits just like says hey you can only take this action up to a certain volume within a certain period of time circuit breakers say if you exceed those limits on the rate limits we actually pause other functionality as well and the very uh

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

I think, nuanced thing here because we spent a lot of time looking at this a few years ago and trying to come up with more of a universal circuit breaker system that could be used.

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The $280M DeFi Exploit That Changes Crypto Forever | Dan Elitzer & Odysseus

You can actually make problems worse in some cases by having a circuit breaker because you can have parties try to maliciously trigger the circuit breaker.