Dan Engber

What's that? A glimmer of something. Like we're doing this method and we spelled out a word and then it flowers from there, right? And then now we're spelling out short sentences and now my son is writing poetry and now I'm learning about all this stuff. Like, oh, he's got a girlfriend and he's telling me all about that.

What's that? A glimmer of something. Like we're doing this method and we spelled out a word and then it flowers from there, right? And then now we're spelling out short sentences and now my son is writing poetry and now I'm learning about all this stuff. Like, oh, he's got a girlfriend and he's telling me all about that.

What's that? A glimmer of something. Like we're doing this method and we spelled out a word and then it flowers from there, right? And then now we're spelling out short sentences and now my son is writing poetry and now I'm learning about all this stuff. Like, oh, he's got a girlfriend and he's telling me all about that.

It's like, what more could you want than have your kid tell you about their first love? And so you can just see how the drive to make this thing work and to find meaning in it is so intense. And I think that is both very moving and very dangerous.

It's like, what more could you want than have your kid tell you about their first love? And so you can just see how the drive to make this thing work and to find meaning in it is so intense. And I think that is both very moving and very dangerous.

It's like, what more could you want than have your kid tell you about their first love? And so you can just see how the drive to make this thing work and to find meaning in it is so intense. And I think that is both very moving and very dangerous.

Right, yeah. And this podcast actually invokes something that I didn't realize it, but has been present since the start of facilitated communication, which is just that, okay, if it is the case, if you're facilitating me and the messages that are coming out are actually, you are subconsciously writing those messages yourself, right? At some point, you might think, hey, wait a second.

Right, yeah. And this podcast actually invokes something that I didn't realize it, but has been present since the start of facilitated communication, which is just that, okay, if it is the case, if you're facilitating me and the messages that are coming out are actually, you are subconsciously writing those messages yourself, right? At some point, you might think, hey, wait a second.

Right, yeah. And this podcast actually invokes something that I didn't realize it, but has been present since the start of facilitated communication, which is just that, okay, if it is the case, if you're facilitating me and the messages that are coming out are actually, you are subconsciously writing those messages yourself, right? At some point, you might think, hey, wait a second.

Dan just spelled something that was in my head, right? It's just a natural effect of how you have this Ouija board illusion, right? Just eventually, I might type something or spell something that, you know, information that only you know that I shouldn't know. And so this is in some way just a byproduct of the Ouija board effect, right?

Dan just spelled something that was in my head, right? It's just a natural effect of how you have this Ouija board illusion, right? Just eventually, I might type something or spell something that, you know, information that only you know that I shouldn't know. And so this is in some way just a byproduct of the Ouija board effect, right?

Dan just spelled something that was in my head, right? It's just a natural effect of how you have this Ouija board illusion, right? Just eventually, I might type something or spell something that, you know, information that only you know that I shouldn't know. And so this is in some way just a byproduct of the Ouija board effect, right?

Exactly. So it's really, it's just like you hit this fork in the road early in the process, right? There's two problems here. If it is really true that the facilitator is the one who's actually creating the messages, there's two problems. One is If the speller knows something that the facilitator doesn't know, the speller can't spell that out. That's the message passing test.

Exactly. So it's really, it's just like you hit this fork in the road early in the process, right? There's two problems here. If it is really true that the facilitator is the one who's actually creating the messages, there's two problems. One is If the speller knows something that the facilitator doesn't know, the speller can't spell that out. That's the message passing test.

Exactly. So it's really, it's just like you hit this fork in the road early in the process, right? There's two problems here. If it is really true that the facilitator is the one who's actually creating the messages, there's two problems. One is If the speller knows something that the facilitator doesn't know, the speller can't spell that out. That's the message passing test.

That was the test that the scientists used to debunk this whole thing. So that's problem number one. So you have to deal with that problem. Problem number two, though, is exactly the opposite. Okay, why does the speller seem to know things that are in the head of the facilitator? Like they shouldn't, why can they do that?

That was the test that the scientists used to debunk this whole thing. So that's problem number one. So you have to deal with that problem. Problem number two, though, is exactly the opposite. Okay, why does the speller seem to know things that are in the head of the facilitator? Like they shouldn't, why can they do that?

That was the test that the scientists used to debunk this whole thing. So that's problem number one. So you have to deal with that problem. Problem number two, though, is exactly the opposite. Okay, why does the speller seem to know things that are in the head of the facilitator? Like they shouldn't, why can they do that?

And so you can either see that happen and go, you know what, I'm a little worried that this method doesn't work. And then you move on to other interventions to try to help the non-speaking person. Or you say, oh, I know what it is. The spelling is valid and they have ESP.

And so you can either see that happen and go, you know what, I'm a little worried that this method doesn't work. And then you move on to other interventions to try to help the non-speaking person. Or you say, oh, I know what it is. The spelling is valid and they have ESP.