Dan Epps

You don't have your laptop here, so I can't check.

The Chief Justice has his own pins?

Can I see that?

How do I get one of those?

I don't know.

Okay.

Chief Justice trivia?

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah, and I think these laws have bite on the assumption that most property owners are not going to do something to change the default either way.

In a world where every property owner was going to put up a sign one way or the other, expressing their preference as to whether...

someone bearing arms could enter the property, I think the default rule wouldn't matter, right?

Because it would just be individual property owner's choice shaping whether the weapon was able to be brought on the property.

But I think they matter because we assume, and this seems accurate, that most property owners and most businesses are just not going to

make an explicit choice one way or the other.

So this is a default rule that is going to control a large number of cases in places.

So I guess kind of the question in this case, so this is, to back it up one second, this law and several other states' laws like it were passed in the wake of the court's decision in Bruin, right, which, you know, I'd say expanded the scope of Second Amendment rights or at least elucidated the court's understanding of Second Amendment rights in a way that does, you know,

you know, limit what states can do.

And so this is a potential workaround.

Yeah.