Dan Epps

There's always – people are nervous and it turns out that there are some questions in the audience. They're already so scared of you. You've been here for 27 days. Just exams I believe at the school are blind graded, right?

Yeah, that's a really interesting question. And there's kind of a broader question there, which is how much is this court going to rethink substantive due process? I mean, the other issue that might be on the table is Obergefell, same-sex marriage. I think there is a push in some states to maybe start working towards setting up a challenge in which the court could reconsider that holding as well.

Yeah, that's a really interesting question. And there's kind of a broader question there, which is how much is this court going to rethink substantive due process? I mean, the other issue that might be on the table is Obergefell, same-sex marriage. I think there is a push in some states to maybe start working towards setting up a challenge in which the court could reconsider that holding as well.

You know, you know, Will, you and Oren, maybe you have your fingers slightly more on the pulse of the conservative legal establishment. Although I think you're both a little bit on the outs, right? But maybe you can tell me what to predict.

You know, you know, Will, you and Oren, maybe you have your fingers slightly more on the pulse of the conservative legal establishment. Although I think you're both a little bit on the outs, right? But maybe you can tell me what to predict.

But I remember you took a similar position on Twitter in the immediate wake of Dobbs sort of saying, I don't think they're really going to rethink everything. Am I right that you said that? And if so, do you still feel that way?

But I remember you took a similar position on Twitter in the immediate wake of Dobbs sort of saying, I don't think they're really going to rethink everything. Am I right that you said that? And if so, do you still feel that way?

Yeah, although some of those social issues, I mean, Those could be put on their docket by Trump himself. I mean I think – for example, I think I saw today Trump – the administration is moving to kind of oust service members who are openly transgender. I mean that's – there could be a lot of kind of issues like that.

Yeah, although some of those social issues, I mean, Those could be put on their docket by Trump himself. I mean I think – for example, I think I saw today Trump – the administration is moving to kind of oust service members who are openly transgender. I mean that's – there could be a lot of kind of issues like that.

Well, I think we are out of time. And so the 10 or 12 people in line to ask questions are going to have to wait to come up to us after the recording. But this has been great. Oren, thanks for joining us. And for those of you both here in the room and listening, this is a reminder to subscribe to the podcast in your app of choice. Rate and review. Go to our website, DividedArgument.com.

Well, I think we are out of time. And so the 10 or 12 people in line to ask questions are going to have to wait to come up to us after the recording. But this has been great. Oren, thanks for joining us. And for those of you both here in the room and listening, this is a reminder to subscribe to the podcast in your app of choice. Rate and review. Go to our website, DividedArgument.com.

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Store.DividedArgument.com for merchandise. And I don't have a funny lead out today. I've been so intimidated by this forum that I don't have a good one. You have one lined up, right, Will? No, you're the funny one, Dan. Okay. All right. Well, that'll be it for today.

Welcome to Divided Argument, an unscheduled, unpredictable Supreme Court podcast. I'm Dan Epps. I'm Will Bode.

Welcome to Divided Argument, an unscheduled, unpredictable Supreme Court podcast. I'm Dan Epps. I'm Will Bode.

So who would have predicted that we would record a same-day episode about a breaking piece of Supreme Court news? This probably won't come out the same day, but hopefully this will come out Saturday or Sunday. We had a breaking development.

So who would have predicted that we would record a same-day episode about a breaking piece of Supreme Court news? This probably won't come out the same day, but hopefully this will come out Saturday or Sunday. We had a breaking development.

The court released a shadow docket-ish opinion in the TikTok case, and we are reacting as quickly as we can, which is not that quick, but quicker than we normally are.

The court released a shadow docket-ish opinion in the TikTok case, and we are reacting as quickly as we can, which is not that quick, but quicker than we normally are.

Two-and-a-half-month delay? It was a long delay. It was September to December. Yeah, yeah, okay. You had people lamenting the death of the podcast to you just on the assumption that it was clearly over. But it is not. And in fact, we have a couple of live shows coming up, believe it or not. We are going to Stanford in less than two weeks. I'm excited.