Dan Farah

Like the super credible, non-sensational.

I mean, it's got the coolest setup.

Here's the setup for this thing.

So Hal Pudoff's working for the CIA and the DOD in the mid-70s.

He's doing some spooky stuff, fringe science work.

His CIA handler, who's his best friend and was in his wedding party, comes into his office, knocks on the door, and says, we've got a problem we need your help with.

He says, what is it?

He says, our operatives have found out that the Russians have a program that they're 10 years into where they have rounded up the best psychics in Russia, and they've trained them to use their psychic abilities to spy on American bases and our most secure facilities, and they're getting actionable intel.

Hal's, of course, like, holy shit, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard, right?

And the CIA guy says, yes, you've got a blank checkbook from the CIA and the DOD.

You've got X amount of time to catch up on their 10-year program.

We've got to beat them.

He then has to figure out, like, how to go about finding people who have these abilities because it's not like Russia where you just go round up a bunch of people and say you're going to do this, right?

So he comes up with a clever system to bake into Army basic training

testing that can identify people with these skill sets and then you can pluck them up and have them come work for this program you can help them sharpen their skill sets and you can train them to become remote viewers to me that like that scene it's like it's like the indiana jones scene where where the cia comes in indiana jones and says you know what do you know about the ark of the covenant oh my god and we've got the situation we need your help with you know it's wild man it's like the craziest setup of all time and it's fascinating and then the fact that

they started getting real actionable intelligence that they were acting on.

Like the CIA was running missions based on his intel.

One day when I shot, I did so many interviews with Hal, but one day when we finished talking about the UAP topic, I had intentionally scheduled a few extra hours and I was like, all right, Hal, let's talk about Stargate.

And I grabbed like three hours of the entire Stargate story.

And it's fucking mind blowing.