Dan Harris

And actually, that's the really, I think, in my experience, and I'm not that experienced as a meditator, but in my experience, the move from just a clinical investigation, which is what I spent the early years of my contemplative career doing, toward more of a welcoming

plus the investigation is really where you start to get toward okayness and equanimity and not being so yanked around by it.

How does that sit with you, Seb?

It's great instruction.

And I'm glad you brought up RAINN, too, as a really practical approach here.

I don't know if you guys know, but I have a podcast.

And if you just Google Tara Brock on my show, she's been on several times talking about this, and she explains it so well.

Not that you need much more after what Seb just said, but if you want to go deeper, Tara's just such a great teacher on this stuff.

Yes.

We have one more.

I love that.

I'm just laughing because so many people in my life find me so annoying.

It's like you decide to get into meditation or whatever, and the people in your life did not sign up for it.

What helps me, and I was having this conversation with somebody in the cafeteria today.

What has helped me is to not try to convince anybody to do what I'm doing and to really try and learn.

I've learned to let my little obsessions not have any or really much impact on the people around me.

And I've learned that the hard way by...

making a lot of dumb decisions or proselytizing to my wife or, you know, getting so into meditation that I would commit so much time to it that I was taking away time from the family.

I just did a lot of dumb shit, and that generally is a good way to learn.

You know, not fun, but a good way to learn.