Dan La Savita

Yeah, we're about 24 months right now.

Yeah, it's actually, I would say, in between the two in terms of our current state, right?

So we're the first native iOS design tool for teams to design, prototype, and share directly on their device.

Previous to Play, we ran a design agency building a lot of mobile products for our clients.

And one of the things that we experienced with as many great design tools there are,

Figma, Adobe XD, Sketch, they're sort of a mile wide.

And there is not really a platform built for people designing specifically for mobile products.

So what we're trying to do is fill that gap and be very kind of focused in terms of product teams designing for mobile, and how do we give them an input directly into what they can achieve with kind of the sandbox that Apple has created and give them access to all that stuff.

I would say probably right before and during.

We sold 10 years ago.

So we sold to Dentsu.

The agency?

Yeah, the name of the agency was called Firstborn.

And then we sold to Dentsu.

It's about 10 years now.

So myself, one of our, Michael, who founded Firstborn, he left after four years after sale.

And then June and myself left after eight years post-acquisition.

We started to play.

Yeah, we were doing around $27, $28 million annual revenue, about 100 people.

So it was services-based business.