Dan Le Batard

What you got, Ryan Howard?

You're a world bleeping champion.

What's going on, gentlemen?

How we doing?

And that was the end of the interview.

We never actually talked to him.

We just went to commercial.

And that's why guest bookers hate Dan.

The performance art in that, though, Pablo, we were making fun of the fact that all these athletes are available for seven minutes and all of them are selling something.

They're all there.

They're not there to actually engage with you, give you anything interesting.

They're there to get their percentage of Subway money.

But this actually gets to like the thing that I have been also fighting as I do things on Pablo Torre Finds Out, like tape underneath Adam Silver's chair at the Sloan conference, the whistleblower complaint that it remained confidential until we published it.

you know, that had information about the Clippers' caps or convention scheme as alleged by two government whistleblowers from inside the company.

Like, that thing of you say you're doing journalism, but now you're doing a parody of yourself.

I think, Dan, the thing that I am always trying to navigate is...

The danger of you are satirizing something or you're drawing attention to something and using techniques that seem to betray your alleged goal here of doing something that feels different and nourishing by being a troll.

And I have made some form of peace with that because people don't pay attention unless you grab their attention, right?

You need to do things that are challenging and dangerous with people such that they can't

escape it.