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Dan Neidle

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197 total appearances

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The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Food, much bigger element.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

But again, what we should be doing is we should be equalising the rate with everything else.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

We should be dropping the rate and we should be protecting people on lower incomes so they don't lose out.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Because most of the benefit from the VAT zero rate on food doesn't go to the poor.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Most goes to people spending a lot on food.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

And that's people who are richer.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

There is a big problem with VAT and its effect on business, which is that if you do a chart of the number of businesses for each

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

size of business, each amount of turnover the businesses do.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

What you'd expect to find is lots of tiny businesses and then fewer and fewer numbers, nice smooth curve to get to a small number of very large businesses.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

That's what you'd expect.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

What you actually see is the curve goes down until it gets to the VAT registration threshold.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Then there is a huge bump up, a number of additional people deliberately holding their revenue below what's now 90,000 and then a cliff edge and very, very few businesses beyond that.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

So VAT incentivizes businesses to not grow, to keep their size below 90,000.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Some people say, oh, well, you should increase the threshold.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Madness.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

It's bad enough to stop small businesses growing.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

To stop larger businesses growing is even more economically damaging.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

So the rational policy there is to have a much smaller threshold, which most of the rest of the world does.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

There's something weird about business rates.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

And the witness is this.