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Dan Neidle

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197 total appearances

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The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

There's a difference between the person who pays it and the person who economically is paying it.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

And in the tax nerd world, you call that economic incidence.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

We're all familiar with one example.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

So VAT.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Who pays VAT legally?

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

And the answer is the shop pays VAT.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

If I go to buy a chocolate bar, there's VAT on the chocolate bar.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Who is cutting the check to HMRC?

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Obviously not me.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

It's the shop.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Who is bearing the cost of the VAT?

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Well, you know, that's me.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Obviously, if VAT went up by 20% tomorrow, the shop is not eating that.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

I, the consumer, am eating that.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Sorry.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

So we say the economic incidence of a rise in VAT falls on consumers.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Interestingly, the opposite isn't the case.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

If you have a VAT cut, the shops tend to snaffle the profit.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

But that's a different discussion.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

So, OK, business rates.