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Dan Neidle

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197 total appearances

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The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Who pays the business rates?

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

The answer is the person occupying the property, the pub.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

But who economically is actually paying that?

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

And the answer turns out to be, and the evidence for this is super strong, mostly it's the landlord in the long term.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

In other words, if you increase business rates, then the amount they can charge in rent goes down.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

And if you cut business rates, the amount they can charge in rent decreases.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

goes up.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

And there was a, the biggest study of this was in 1990 when there was some reform of what were then non-domestic rates.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

And for every one pound increase in rates, rental values fell in London by 86 pence.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

meaning that 86% of business rates in London go through to landlords.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Now, in other areas, it's less.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Outside the southeast, it can be only 45%.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

But either way, if you have a business rate cut on pubs, what you're doing is a tax handout to landlords.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

And in some cases, that will be almost all of the cut.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

In some cases, maybe half the cut.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

No, I mean, right now you've got a tenant who's paying £100 and the tenant is also paying business rates of 10.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

If you change it so that the tenant is paying business rates of five, well, then they can afford to pay more rent.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

The market shifts, and that happens because the supply of commercial property is what economists describe as inelastic.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Land's fixed, planning's restricted, landlords can't easily move the building somewhere else.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

But on the other hand, tenants' demand is elastic.