Dan Pfeiffer

He is spending money.

The US government is taking over companies.

We are taking stake in companies.

Not a ranking conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

Then there's a question like, what is MAGA?

Is MAGA an actual ideology that is – and this sort of presumes this idea that prior to 2016, there was this group of Republicans or this large group in America who were anti-immigrant, nativist, populist on economics, anti-system, who were just waiting for someone to lead their movement and Trump showed up?

Or is MAGA just another word for Trump fan?

And I think it's – I don't know whether it started as the former, but it's definitely the latter now.

Like, yes, they are not – Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly are not MAGA because they're not pro-Trump.

But that doesn't mean that they – like, I think that's an important distinction for people to understand, like, especially when you look at the polling.

Because the thing you hear all the time is, yeah, all these MAGA – quote, unquote, MAGA influencers have turned against Trump, but 92% of MAGA voters support the Iran war.

Well, it's like, no, 92% of Trump fans support Trump's war.

no shit, right?

Yeah.

Let's widen the aperture here a bit, because I want to talk a little bit about your career.

You've been making political content longer than I have, longer than most people doing it online.

You've been hosting your show in some capacity, which originally started as a radio program, I believe, since at least 2005.

Talk a little bit about how you ended up in this space and how the media ecosystem has changed in that time period.

There is finally money coming in to progressive content creators that has been many, many years after it's been coming into the right and still at a much, much lower volume.

I've spent, honestly, much of the last 10 years going to meetings with donors to try to convince them to take some of that money they were spending on TV ads that were largely being shown to people over the age of 65 and put it into any form of content creation that could be