Dan Pfeiffer

Every one of them has been existential for a long time now.

So it's like, we absolutely have to win the House.

How do we win the House?

My daughters have to win the House.

What we're saying is we have to build something that is going to sustain a progressive pro-democracy movement.

for the future, for 26, for 28, for 30, for 32.

And that we just have always been like, we don't have the version or haven't had the version of the Koch brothers who were investing for the long-term for decades.

You've learned over the course of your career here, you've learned a lot about the media environment.

You've written a book about it.

You've written a second book about it that's coming out this fall about the power of algorithms.

Talk a little bit about your book and what it's about.

Your book is not political, but the most powerful players in American politics, in world politics right now, are the algorithms themselves.

Yes.

Right?

They play such a gigantic role in polarization, news consumption, what breaks through.

And it is...

This may not be a part of your book, but it is just worth noting that the algorithms that matter most are all owned by – or most of them, all but one of them are owned by pro-Trump billionaires.

Mark Zuckerberg and Meta control Instagram, Facebook.

WhatsApp, and then you have Elon Musk controlling Twitter.

We now have a pro-Trump billionaire in charge of TikTok US.