Dan Pfeiffer

You feeling proud to be an American?

Apology tour.

And we should be clear that, um, it's not just like we are pining for international rules and institutions, uh, for the sake of it.

Right.

Like they, but they, the, when they weren't broken or when they worked better, uh,

than they did even before Trump broke them and destroyed them.

They kept us safer.

They kept the world safer and they kept Americans safer and they kept Americans more prosperous.

And it's going to be more difficult to live in a world where countries are turning to

places like China for economic development, for security.

I think Carney, I'm paraphrasing a line from his speech, but he said something like, in a world where there's just more fortresses because different countries are making different alliances and trying to build up their own security, then that's a world that is more brittle, more dangerous, more prone to violence.

And that's where he's leading us.

And like you said, like I believe and hope that Democrat wins and the next president really does make great strides in repairing some of these relationships.

But don't think we're going back for at least a generation at this point.

Thanks to Donald Trump and the Republicans in Congress and everyone who has allowed him to do this and supported him doing this.

And, you know, America got to be a superpower under that order, right?

It's not just like we were one of a whole bunch of countries.

The rest of the world, much of the rest of the world looked to us, and they admired our values, even if we haven't always lived up to them.

Right.

Like our prosperity as a country, we're the richest country in the world based on that.