Dan Pfeiffer

I think we've all, in the sort of political conversation post-2024, convinced ourselves that MAGA is a movement based on a set of views, right?

That it is anti-immigration.

It is anti-trade.

We believed it was America first nationalism, right?

Smaller government, those sorts of things.

It is not those things.

No.

MAGA is another way of saying Trump.

What Trump is for, they are for.

And that we have to accept... When you accept that reality, you start then realizing...

Two things.

One, those people are not leaving Donald Trump anytime soon, if ever.

And that the party could look very differently after Trump.

Now, I am not arguing that all of a sudden, like our friends at the bulwark are going to be like the bulwark Republicanism or Mitt Romney Republicanism is coming back.

I don't think that.

But that it is a very open question about the Republican Party looks like.

The J.D.

Vance thing is interesting because this doesn't make a lot of sense because Joe Biden actually ran for president and became president.

But for almost the entirety of the eight years of the Obama administration, no one thought Joe Biden was running for president.

And he was not doing a single thing to prepare himself for running for president.