Dan Pfeiffer

If Jasmine Crockett or –

you know, Mallory McMorrow or Janet Mills won a primary on a fuck Trump.

Maybe that would work in Maine, but on a fuck Trump message in a, in a purple or red state, maybe there's consequence for that.

I don't know.

But the lesson to me from it is you have to get your message heard and you have to be willing to break with old ways of doing politics, get your message heard and take some risks.

Cause she was, she was trailing by a lot at the time.

So it's like, what do you have to lose?

That's that is the I mean, can you imagine what the Democratic presidential primary is going to be like in that situation?

Like I was even thinking back to the 04 primary.

which you worked on for John Kerry.

Yeah, I did.

But I just remember there was, like, this bidding war of, like...

people saying Bush was the worst president ever.

And people kept saying it like in stronger language.

I think at some point Dick Gephardt may have swore, but like this time it's going to be like, someone will say, fuck Trump.

It's going to be like, mother fuck Trump.

Just like mother fuck Trump and everyone he's ever been with.

It's just going to get like up and up and up.

Do you worry as we look at the primary that there's this incentive, which is, fuck Trump.

And I don't mean just like Trump is bad, but like a literal message of the equivalent of this is like, fuck Trump, is a great way to get attention and raise money and maybe even get some support in a Democratic primary.