Dan Pfeiffer

It's not – it's a more hardened version of Obama in 08 for sure.

We've been through a lot in that time.

But there is – that we are better than this like counterproductive, non –

Never ending division in this country that we're seeing from in our politics, in our media, in social media, there's something better than this and that we are better than this as a country and that people will want that.

I do truly believe that if we survive long enough to get there as a nation, but like and who that candidate is.

Great question.

Does that, can it exist?

I don't know.

They'll have to prove themselves, but I think that's where we have to get to.

And you may have to say, you should say fuck Trump along the way, and you shouldn't hesitate to say that, but it's got to be something bigger than that.

Everyone is the answer.

Everyone will be in it.

It's going to be, it's going to be fascinating.

Jen Saki.

That's that, that the early States you have to win.

We mean Jen show and pot save America.

Great talking to you as always.

Thank you for doing this.

That's our show.

Thank you to Jen Saki for joining us.