Dan Pfeiffer

He's always going to be a dominant part of the conversation.

I mean, I think he will go away from the White House just before people panic and start throwing their phones into the ocean.

But I think he will be out of the White House.

But I do think by the time we get to the general election in 2028, Trump's going to feel a little bit like George W. Bush.

Which is...

What's the future?

The past, right?

Are you turning the page on the past?

Yes.

There'll be lots of ads of J.D.

Vance or whoever else hugging Donald Trump like we ran of John McCain and George W. Bush in 2008, but it's going to feel old.

You can kind of feel it happening right now before us.

Yeah.

People are like, ugh.

I believe... Once again, we have shared the same bias here of being people who truly learned about politics from Barack Obama.

Yeah.

But I do believe...

to the core of my soul that the best Democratic candidate in 2028 is going to be someone who seems both tough enough to fight for people and fight against a broken system and to hold the people who exploited that system under Trump to account for their crimes, but also is appealing to something bigger and better.

The idea that we as a country

are better than what we have had for the last 15 years of Donald Trump at that point, right?