Dan Pfeiffer

32, yeah.

So what you're probably doing is you're taking that 8% of Republicans who don't know that the election's happening and putting them towards one of them.

It's not a zero-sum game amongst your Republicans.

For what Newsom was doing, if I recall correctly, is there was one Republican of consequence who had any chance of making it, and he was making sure Republicans knew that this is the person to vote for.

That's their guy.

And so I think it is a slightly different situation.

If it was because he was just moving one Republican ahead of a Democrat, which is easy to do given the size of the Republican electorate and the fact that most Republicans don't turn out in a primary because there's generally not much for them to vote for.

Here it's different because I'm not sure you're going to lower Bianco.

You might just raise Hilton.

And we all say there's no one in charge.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, and then someone comes in and does Steyer, and then we're right back where we were again.

Yeah, what a fucking mess.

Yeah, we're five weeks away from ballots going out, so.

Welcome to Pod Save America.

I'm Dan Pfeiffer.

You're about to hear my conversation with my good friend Jen Psaki, former White House press secretary for Joe Biden and host of MSNOW's The Briefing with Jen Psaki.

Jen is one of those folks I could talk to for hours about anything.

But this week I invited her on because I wanted to talk to her, one former White House comm staffer to another, about how the Trump administration is trying to sell its war in Iran to the American people and how the media has covered it.

We also talked a bit about the midterms, including how important Democratic primaries in Maine, Michigan, and elsewhere are shaping the future of the party.