Dan Pfeiffer

And,

And I was in town.

I think I came in to see you in my old office.

And then I went in to see Obama.

And as I was walking in, Susan Rice, who was National Security Advisor at the time, and a bunch of the national security people had just walked out.

Obama had just done a call with a world leader.

And all the goons are in there briefing him.

They got all these experts.

And he said to me as I walked in, he's like, well, we're about to find out if all of the prep...

And the policy really matters as much as these guys say it is.

And Trump navigated – he got very lucky in his first term and was able to half-ass a bunch of things.

And nothing bad happened until the pandemic.

Then something horrendous happened.

But from a foreign policy perspective, it was kind of a quiet time.

But here is the example.

This is the chickens coming home the roost of a president who doesn't pay any attention to policy, isn't interested in it, doesn't think seriously about these things, and is surrounded by people who don't think seriously about these things.

You end up here.

And that applies communications-wise too, which is when you're just talking about the economy or immigration, maybe you can just fly by the seat of your pants, say what you want here and there.

But when you're talking about a war,

What you say matters.