Dan Pfeiffer

He seems different.

He just seems smaller now.

And you see that in the polling where major pluralities of people and large majorities of independents no longer describe him as strong.

They see him as weak and indecisive.

And I think so.

I think should people be creeped out by it?

Absolutely.

I think the approach is probably not fear.

It's derision.

Yeah, I think that's right.

I think it's also just, people are going to see it and be like, why is this such a high priority?

And jail time.

He did jail time too.

As an early wedding present?

We talk all the time about the crypto schemes and the Qatari jets and all the other very extravagant and extraordinary corruption.

But there really is just a staggering amount of, as you said, mundane corruption, just like funneling contracts to your friends so that they can make money off the taxpayers.

Trump is probably, although not definitely, going to pardon his sons before he leaves.

Maybe Peter Navarro will cross the threshold of people who will get pardoned because he did serve time for Trump for a while.

And he already has a pardon, I believe, or at least a commutation.

But the people who actually facilitated this, people who work in the Pentagon, people who work for Peter Navarro, they're not getting pardons.