Dan Pfeiffer

masquerading as something of a message.

And this is one of them, right?

They're fascinated by it.

Nick Shirley was at the State of the Union, I believe.

The guy who originally had the reporting, and I'm doing air quotes for the audio listeners, about this.

And so I don't... This is, I get, they don't have a particularly strong hand to play.

I don't think this is better than the other things they're doing, but I think this is probably something that J.D.

Vance...

once.

I think that's why Trump gave it to him.

I think that's why he's here.

Maybe he thinks it's good for the Republicans, but I think he thinks it's probably good for himself because the Minnesota fraud, immigrant fraud, bullshit narrative they spin is a thing that excites the right-wing media people and the far-right podcasters and megatypes that J.D.

Vance is trying to persuade to be on his side in a presidential race.

So I think that's kind of how we got here.

I mean, theoretically, I guess.

I heard him say, somewhat was it,

Someone said the other day, some Republican, that once the plants are built and the people start working, then we'll see the golden age.

But also, it was terrible, and it got longer with every speech because it was a very elaborate metaphor, which with every speech, there'd be a new element of how the car got in the ditch, how the car was getting in the ditch, how dirty the ditch was.

It's not out yet because our policies take time.

That was where he lost me, because that was a Tom Daschle, Evan Bayh classic, too.