Dan Pfeiffer

It's the whole thing.

The conversation around it is stupid.

It really is Republicans desperately trying to spin a finite wind in this really incoherent speech that was terrible politics in every other way, shape, or form.

And some credulous reporters kind of giving them a place to air their last hopes and dreams for the midterms.

In the service of trying to go after undocumented people, it killed the sort of quasi the service of trying to do that.

It shot and killed two Americans in the street and lied about it.

I want to talk to you about this.

I want to talk about this.

I think I don't want this to come across as an intervention because it's not yet.

I don't want it to come across as me being critical of you because I'm not.

I'm genuinely inquisitive.

No.

As I try to tell you, you need to start telling people that Offline's title is ironic at this point.

Yeah.

It didn't start that way.

You were genuinely concerned about people being online, and the product of doing that podcast for years was being more online.

But here's the thing.

We were in the White House.

I once told Barack Obama that you had the most common sense of anyone on his team.

And that if we brought an idea to you, because sometimes...