Dan Shipper

But they're not going to make... How was the temperature?

Exactly.

They're not going to make an oven just for soufflés, but it takes them seeing it being used in a particular context where someone's, like, pushing it as far as it can go for them to even realize, oh, there's an opening here.

There's a vector along which I want to improve it.

And I think people don't quite realize that and quite realize the...

The difficulty and also promise in making tools that are so general that you can't fully predict how they'll be used and how to improve them.

So the dominant startup metaphor for the last 10 or 15 years has been jobs to be done.

You have to narrow in on a specific job that your customer needs your model for or your product for and then make it better.

And if you ask, Okay, what problem does AI solve?

It's like, well, it solves every problem.

Theoretically, it could solve every problem, right?

Better and worse degrees.

And that's really, that's really hard to figure out how to how to improve how to improve a product that's really meant to do everything.

I didn't even really think about it because usually people talk about Shipper as shipping code.

Yeah, right.

But I do love the shipper as pirate thing.

I hadn't even thought of that.

It is truly, truly shipper.

But I'm just trying to make it make sense in every way possible.

Well, you really teed me up there.