Dan Shipper

It really is.

And it opens up a way of thinking that is quite different from how programmers normally think.

And it's actually hard to get AI to think this way because it's trained to think like a programmer.

And what programmers want is...

They want to be able to predict what's going to happen.

Like they want to make a machine where they know how it all works.

And I think that's one of the reasons why it took a long time to get something like Cloud Code is because we were pretty afraid to unhobble the model.

That's what Anthropic talks about internally is unhobbling the model.

We kind of like really locked it down and we were kind of like, oh, it's going to be in this very specific type of workflow that it's going to work for.

And the real answer is actually no.

give it a basic set of general tools and let it run in a loop and people will figure out how to use it for whatever their specific use cases are.

And I think that's, it's just, it's a new way of thinking about software that's both scary and extremely useful.

Yeah, I totally agree.

And I think that's why some of the stuff we're doing, the big model companies appreciate it and pay attention to it because they do have apps that they work on internally.

But I also think of them a little bit like oven makers.

So they're making an oven.

You can use an oven for a lot of things.

And we make souffles.

And so they make a new oven and they come to us and they're like, tell me about the souffle you can make, you know?

because that helps them figure out, like, how do I make the oven better?