Dan Shipper

And proof is an example of this kind of thing.

There's different types of agent native.

It can be agent native in the sense that it has an agent at its core internal to it, or it can be agent native in the sense that all agents can use it natively.

So like Figma at this point is agent native because it has a CLI.

So there's a whole new world of how software might work and also how software works with agents that it starts to open up.

It definitely does apply.

But I think that OpenClaw, they've already built it to be agent native.

And so...

you're kind of getting the benefit of riding along with that architecture so an example of what makes it agent native is open claw is built on pi which is a like agent harness and pi is very very basic it doesn't really have much except an agent loop and the ability to modify itself

And OpenClaw puts a couple of things on top of that.

So it has a cron job.

So it has a heartbeat.

So it, it like wakes up every 15 minutes or so it connects natively to a couple of messaging apps, but that's really it.

And the core of OpenClaw is still this thing that can modify itself.

And that means it's super flexible, right?

Like Peter who built OpenClaw, he didn't,

I use it for bug tracking and triage.

He never built a bug tracking and triage feature into it, and the guy who made Pi never built a bug tracking.

It's not made for bug tracking and triage, but it's just flexible enough, and its tools are granular enough that it can be used for anything, and that's the interesting part of it.

Totally.