Dan Shipper

I think that's kind of cool, but I think they're sold out now.

Um, yeah, so definitely in Silicon Valley.

I don't know where you guys base actually, or in New York.

I'm in Brooklyn right now.

He's a true trailblazer and one of the few, I think, senior engineer types who are willing to give up coding, like manual coding, even before it was, even before it was obvious it was gonna work.

And I think basically what happened,

I remember very clearly there was some model.

Some model came out.

I think it was Claude Opus 3.7.

And we were testing it before it came out.

And when we test models, me and Kieran often are on a video call together and just chatting back and forth.

And he was like, I don't think I have to look at the code anymore.

And so we were trying that.

And we were like, holy shit, this is crazy.

And this is like maybe...

it's probably almost a year ago now um yeah and that then filtered into the rest of our company and we started being like i don't think we need to look at the code anymore and that became a thing that we were doing but everyone else was like that's crazy um and now it seems you know pretty much like that's the case pretty normal now yeah it's pretty normal it's pretty normal um

And out of a lot of his experience with that came compound engineering, which is the idea that in normal engineering, each feature you build makes it harder to build the next feature.

Because the code base grows in complexity.

All the complexity is interdependent usually.

You have all these tests.