Dan Slepian

And it makes sense, right?

Because always when there's a false confession, there's reasonable suspicion for that person to be in that room.

And so that's kind of what's nuanced about it.

And that's what the son said, yeah.

What you just hit on about what Tom thought he was doing with police and what police thought they were doing with Tom is kind of the issue.

He was going for help.

And all too often, these interrogations turn out to be, as we discussed, guilt presumptive.

First, that this is the theory and whatever we're doing is trying to fit into what our theory is, as opposed to be a transparent, open fact finding, truthful fact finding endeavor.

Yeah.

I mean, Lester and I did a story about a false confession 10 years ago about a guy named Johnny Hincapia.

You find that it happens quite a bit.

I mean, the statistics, nobody really knows how many there are.

Nobody knows how many innocent people are in prison.

But what we do know is that of the people who have been exonerated strictly by DNA,

That 25% of those, roughly 25% falsely confessed.

And also, I think one of the things that this points out is that whether or not the cops believe they did right or they did wrong, they believed he was guilty.

And there's no national...

standard by which detectives are trained to do these interrogations.

So every police officer and department pretty much decides for themselves.

If you're an officer, most officers do not pull out their service revolver in their careers.