Dan Slepian

Fewer actually shoot somebody.

Yet, they are required to go four times a year for training, for gun training.

There is no mandatory training for interrogations, and they do it every single day.

I was shocked by that, to be honest with you.

So the idea that there's these guidelines...

and best practices that can reduce wrong it doesn't mean lying doesn't sometimes elicit the truth but the reason that these guidelines are there and these best practices are there to reduce the possibility over the years innocence projects have sprung up around the country uh and in many cases to deal with false confessions because they do happen uh quite a lot um

And one of the reasons that I thought it was important, you know, there's a lot of experts out there that you can use to talk about this.

I specifically thought it was important for Steve Kleinman to be the guy because I didn't want to have an academic talking about this because a lot of detectives and police around the country will look at that and say, well, yeah, that guy goes to school.

He's never done an interrogation.

Steve Kleinman has done interrogations around the world, including in Guantanamo Bay, you know, and he, he, he trains other detectives about how to do this.

So he's a peer.

He wasn't, you know, an academic or someone.

So that's, he came with great credibility.

Lester, didn't that happen with us last night?

I forgot, maybe.

You just articulated exactly the reason that we thought it was worth doing.

Yeah.

It was Rudolph.

You know, we're not obviously live TV.

We're not like the Today Show.