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Dana El-Kurd

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Appearances Over Time

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Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

Supreme Court.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

It's not even the Texas Supreme Court, right?

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

Not to minimize how fucking awful this is, but this does not mean this is how cases like this will be adjudicated every time they come to court everywhere in the U.S.,

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

Yes, and the vagueness of the material support charge is like a double-edged sword, right?

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

One, it can be used in cases like this, and we don't actually know how they were exactly able to successfully argue that, because we don't know which specific federal offense of terrorism the jury found material support was provided for, or if it was multiple offenses.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

nor do we know exactly which things the jury found constituted material support.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

But because we don't know these things, that means when prosecutors try to argue this charge again in the future, they kind of have to start from the ground floor all over again.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

It's harder to apply this exact precedent because the specific things that constituted material support and the specific crime that material support was provided for are sort of ambiguous.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

But the vagueness of this charge certainly leads to a lot of confusion.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

And you can now look at this case and see that, you know, legal possession of firearms or firearms training and possession of political paraphernalia could bolster ideological links between you and defendants, which could be used as evidence for a charge like this, right?

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

For conspiracy charges.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

And that obviously is worrying.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

Now, a song faces a minimum penalty of 20 years, a maximum of life in prison.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

Other defendants at Prairieland face sentences ranging from a minimum of 10 years to up to 60.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

The husband convicted of concealing documents faces up to 40 years in prison.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

And those who pled guilty face a sentence of up to 15 years in federal prison, though their cooperation may lower that.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

Another man faces charges for evidence tampering because he allegedly removed Prairieland defendants from Discord chats last year.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

But this is a state charge which will be going to trial later in April.