Dana El-Kurd

This is extremely worrying.

That's part of the point is to scare people, to make people feel like they can't trust other activists, to make people scared to organize, make them scared to be in group chats.

And yeah, there's very real reason to be concerned as a result of this.

However, none of this should be seen as like the final word on all of this stuff.

And this certainly is not as simple as just having a zine or wearing black is terrorism now.

That's not what was adjudicated here.

No, these things do all relate to or they're trying to be connected to, you know, actual crimes which did occur.

And that's certainly the goal, by the way, that the right has, but that's not what they've achieved quite yet.

I mean, it's definitely a way to try to scare people out of organizing in the sense that, you know, you cannot be found a terrorist just by colluding.

calling yourself like Antifa, just by being Antifa alone by yourself, you're not going to be a terrorist.

The same way you can't be put in jail just for being a Nazi, right?

Right.

But if you are part of a Nazi group chat where you're planning an action and then a Nazi does something at the action, like shooting a power substation, then that Nazi and the other Nazis that he's organizing with, you know, could face terrorism charges.

That is how those sorts of like cases work.

And a very similar thing is being done here.

It's not the actual political ideology necessarily at trial, but organized with other people in furtherance of a political ideology is what the government is trying to suppress.

Yep.

Cool.

Well, I don't have anything else to add at this point, you know.

No, we will certainly cover this once sentencing happens later this year in June.