Daniel Ek

I sort of advised him to, hey, you should go for this.

And that's a far greater thing.

And that's going to be far, will lead to much more happiness, not just for you, but also for other people.

I think I self-motivate myself that way to do the hard things.

Like many other people, I'm quite lazy by nature.

I try to take the simple road out often enough, but what I've learned that has given me the greatest joys is overcoming the biggest adversities.

And overcoming the biggest adversities usually has been solving a problem of some kind for someone or something that no one else had been able to figure out.

And for me, that's my definition of impact.

And it's not right there at the moment that I feel that.

Actually, in many cases, I feel it much longer.

But it's when I go back and I reflect on accomplishments or moments of impact, then I feel true happiness.

And so...

And I've just grown to kind of like self-motivate myself constantly.

And I think this, by the way, kind of comes from like a much deeper thing, right?

Like I came from like pretty much what was the project in Sweden and I was not the normal kid.

You know, I was kind of probably a middle schooler.

of the pack kind of kid, but I certainly stood out.

I didn't belong to any social group.

There was no social cohesion, et cetera.

So wait, you felt like an outsider even at that age?